president obama gave a nod, he knew what had happened. it was a subtle use. >> greta: how important do you think the vice-presidential debate is? >> i continuing it will be important for the week, in that is -- it is the only show in town. there is no other presidential debate. so for the next week, it will be vitally important, it's the only show in town. people will be watching it. in the end, i don't think it's going to play much. i don't think there is a history of presidential debates, let alone, vice-presidential debates. >> greta: paying attention to the heart beat. >> i tend to agree but i do think have you early voting and people are voting every day. so whether or not, you know, it's all about the momentum at this point. moment's changing on a daily basis from, debate to jobs numbers. this is the next big thing. if you are losing the next big thing, you are losing that day, that week. >> republicans think that paul ryan will just clean joe biden's clock. they think there is no contest here -- >> greta: i wouldn't think that. boy